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Wreck Report for 'C. M. Palmer' and 'Ludworth', 1878

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(No. 237.)

"C. M. PALMER," (S.S.), and "LUDWORTH," (S.S.)

The Merchant Shipping Acts, 1854 to 1876.

IN the matter of the formal investigation held at Westminster, on the 6th, 7th, 

and 8th March 1878, before H. C. ROTHERY, Esquire, Wreck Commissioner, assisted 

by Commander FORSTER, R.N., and Captain PARFITT, as Assessors, into the 

circumstances attending the loss of the steamship "C. M. PALMER," of Newcastle, 

through collision with the steamship "LUDWORTH," of London, near the Bawdsey 

Buoy, off Harwich, on the 17th February 1878.

Report of Court.

The Court, having carefully inquired into the circumstances of the 

above-mentioned shipping casualty, finds, or the reasons stated in the annexed 

judgment, that the loss of the said ship "C. M. Palmer" was due to the Wrongful 

acts and defaults of Robert Meldrum, the master of the said ship "Ludworth," in 

navigating his ship at too great a rate of speed on the morning of the said 17th 

day of February, the weather being thick and foggy, so that when the "C. M. 

Palmer" was discovered it was not possible to avoid her.

The Court therefore suspends the certificate of the said Robert Meldrum for six 

months.

The Court makes no order as to costs.

Dated the 8th day of March 1878.

       (Signed)H. C. ROTHERY,

        Wreck Commissioner.

We concur in the above report.

       (Signed)GEORGE H. FORSTER,Assessors.

       "WM. PARFITT, 

Judgment.

Mr. Howard Smith, Mr. Clarkson, Mr. Webster, and Mr. Nelson stated that they had 

no further witnesses to call.

Mr. Clarkson was then heard on behalf of the owners and the master of the "C. M. 

Palmer."

Mr. Nelson stated that his learned friend Mr. Webster, who represented the 

owners of the "Ludworth," would address the Court on behalf of the master.

Mr. Webster was heard accordingly.

Mr. Howard Smith was then heard on the part of the Board of Trade.

The Commissioner.-The object of the present inquiry is to ascertain the 

circumstances attending the collision between the two steam vessels the "C. M. 

Palmer" and the "Ludworth," on the morning of the 17th of February last off 

Harwich.

The "C. M. Palmer" was a vessel of 1,010 tons gross and 628 tons net register, 

and was fitted with two engines of 180 horse-power. She was built at Jarrow in 

the year 1870, was lengthened in 1872, and at the time of the casualty which 

forms the subject of this inquiry she belonged to the Tyne Shipping Company 

(Limited), of Newcastle-on-Tyne, Mr. John Ormston, of Musgrove House, Gateshead, 

being the managing owner. She left Newcastle at about 11 a.m. of the 16th 

February last, bound for London, with a crew of 22 hands all told, and having on 

board from 30 to 40 passengers, and a cargo of about 600 tons. At that time she 

drew about 11 feet 6 forward and about 16 feet 6 aft, but on getting into salt 

water she would necessarily rise some three to four inches. She had six boats, 

two lifeboats on the saloon deck, and four quarter boats, two on each side. She 

seems to have been well fitted with pumps, compasses, and everything necessary 

for the performance of the voyage.

At 8 a.m. of the 17th she was off Southwold. Up to that time she had been in 

charge of the chief officer, but the captain then came on deck to relieve him, 

the second officer going on the bridge. At this time the wind was from about 

south-west, the sea was smooth, it was about quarter flood, and the vessel we 

are told was going full speed, which was estimated to be about 11 knots an hour 

through the Water. Her course by steering compass was south-west, but as that 

compass had a deviation of about half a point, her course magnetic he told us 

was south-west half south. At about 9 a.m. they had arrived off Aldborough Ness 

Buoy, when the weather becoming hazy, the captain went on to the upper bridge, 

and took charge of the telegraph; a man was also placed on the look-out forward, 

and an extra man at the wheel. All hands were then called to get the anchor 

ready for letting go in case of need, and the vessel's course was altered a 

quarter of a point to the south, making it by the steering compass south-west a 

quarter south, the magnetic course being south-west three quarters south. At 

9.15., when they were about half-way between Aldborough Ness Buoy and the 

Shipwash Lightship, the fog thickened, and thereupon orders were given to "stand 

by" to "ease her" and to "stop her;" but shortly afterwards the engines were 

again set on easy ahead, and from that time until immediately before the 

collision the vessel, according to the evidence of all on board, was going at a 

very easy speed, sometimes stopping, sometimes going ahead easy; the second 

mate, who had charge of the steam whistle, sounding it, as he has told us, two 

or three times every minute. At 9.45 they were abreast of the Shipwash Lightship 

and heard the fog-horn; and shortly afterwards, while still on the same course, 

namely south-west three quarters south, the north-east Bawdsey Buoy was observed 

about half a point on the port bow, distant from 90 to 100 yards. The engines 

were immediately stopped, and the helm was ordered to be put to starboard for 

the purpose of getting into the shipway, the fairway channel between the Bawdsey 

and Shipwash Sands. The engines were then turned ahead easy, and she was going 

about a couple of knots through the water when a vessel, which afterwards proved 

to be the "Ludworth," was observed a point and a half upon the "C. M. Palmer's" 

starboard bow, at a distance we are told of about 200 yards. Orders were 

immediately given to hard a-starboard the helm, and to reverse the engines full 

speed, but before those measures could produce any effect, so short was the 

interval of time, the two vessels came together, the "Ludworth's" stem striking 

the "C. M. Palmer" on the starboard side, just forward of the bridge. Orders 

were immediately given by the master to get the boats out, but owing to the 

confusion on board arising from their having a number of passengers, who it 

would seem made a rush for the quarter boats on the starboard side, it was found 

impossible to launch them so expeditiously as might otherwise have been done. 

The fore-quarter boat on the starboard side was however got over the ship's 

side, but unfortunately one of the fall tackles was let go, and she was swamped. 

The "C. M. Palmer" was still going astern, for owing to the communication 

between the bridge and the engine-room having become deranged by the collision, 

the captain had been unable to communicate his orders to the engine-room to stop 

the engines; but the chief officer, hearing the captain give orders to stop the 

engines, conveyed the order by word of mouth down the engine-room skylight, and 

the engines were then stopped. On attempting to launch the after boat upon the 

starboard quarter a rush was made by the passengers, and of course great delay 

occurred before they could get the male passengers out, and put the women and 

children in. In the meantime the "Ludworth," which after the collision had at 

first backed clear of the "C. M. Palmer," had returned, and some of the men 

rushed forward and got up over her bows. In six or seven minutes, however, from 

the time of the collision, and before it was possible to get out any of the 

other boats, the "C. M. Palmer" sank, upsetting the quarter boat, which was 

alongside, with a number of passengers in her. By that time, however, the 

"Ludworth" had lowered her two boats, and in the result all the crew and the 

passengers were saved, with the exception of five of the crew and about nine 

passengers.

The case of the "Ludworth" is as follows. She was a vessel of 447 tons gross and 

304 tons net register, and was fitted with engines of 70 horse-power. She was 

built at Whiteinch in the county of Lanark in 1866, and at the time of the 

accident she was the property of Mr. William Green and Mr. J. Holland, Mr. John 

Patton, junior, of 3, White Lion Court, Cornhill, being the managing owner. She 

left London for Hartlepool on the morning of the 17th of February last, at 15 

minutes after midnight, in ballast, and having on board a crew of 14 hands, and 

being well fitted in every respect for the voyage. She had three boats, and the 

requisite equipments for a vessel of her character. She proceeded down the 

river, and according to the log-book, passed Gravesend at 2.40 a.m., and having 

discharged her pilot she set her foresail and proceeded at full speed. At 3.45 

she passed the Nore Lightship, and at 4.30 she set her square sail. After this, 

little reliance can be placed on the entries in the log-books, either the ship's 

log-book or the engineer's log-book, for it is quite apparent that alterations 

have been made in them, which would deprive them of all authority as containing 

a statement of facts made recenti facto. For instance, we find that the time at 

which she is stated to have passed the Middle Swin is given in both log-books at 

5.25; but in both log-books those figures are written on erasures. Again, in the 

engineer's log-book, she is stated to have passed the Sunk Lightship at 7 a.m., 

but there is an erasure after the seven, showing apparently that the first entry 

made out that she passed the Sunk at some minutes after seven, but how many 

minutes after it is not possible to say. It should be added that the engineer's 

log-book was kept by the second engineer, who is a son of the master, which 

greatly adds to the suspicion arising from the correspondence between the 

alterations made in the two log-books. The Court is therefore quite unable to 

place any reliance upon the entries in the log-books to show the distance run 

within a given time, or the particular hour at which she passed the several 

points on her course; and although during the course of the proceedings there 

appeared to be some intention of relying upon the entries in the log-book to 

show that this vessel must have been going very slowly for some time before the 

collision, no such defence was set up by the learned counsel for the "Ludworth" 

in his address to the Court.

But however this may be, at eight o'clock the first officer was called to take 

the watch, and having got his breakfast he went on deck to relieve the master, 

who had been on deck since leaving London. The master, it seems, went below at 

about 8.25, leaving the chief officer on the bridge. At this time the vessel was 

going at full speed, the wind was from the south-west, and she was heading 

north-east and by north. From that time until the time of the collision the 

master was frequently up on deck. I think he told us that he was up at 8.40, at 

nine, at a quarter after nine, and again at half-past nine; in fact he was up 

and down continually from the time the chief officer took charge, having left no 

orders with that officer as to reducing the speed of the vessel, and virtually 

retaining the charge in his own hands.

Now at 9 am. we are told that there were certain patches of fog seen ahead, 

which seems probable, for at 9.15. the master gave orders for the sails to be 

taken in. Sometime after this, but apparently not until after 9.30, the vessel's 

course was altered to north-east half north. As regards, however, the more 

important facts of the case, the density of the fog, the sounding of the 

whistle, and the speed of the vessel, we are left, so far as the "Ludworth" is 

concerned, in the greatest doubt. What we do know, however, is that just before 

the collision the vessel was undoubtedly in a very thick fog, so much so that. 

according to her account, it was impossible for her to see further than from 60 

to 100 yards off. Now at this time the lookout man, Harrison, observed the 

north-east Bawdsey Buoy, as he states, right ahead, and immediately reported it. 

Whether the helm was thereupon starboarded or ported is also a matter of doubt; 

the chief officer says that the helm was starboarded for the purpose of passing 

to the westward of the buoy; the man at the wheel says that he ported the helm, 

and that he saw the buoy on the port side as they passed it. But however this 

may be, very soon after reporting the buoy the look-out man observed a vessel, 

which proved to be the "C. M. Palmer," at a distance of 60 to 70 yards ahead, 

and reported her. According to the chief officer, orders were thereupon 

immediately given to hard a-starboard the helm and to turn the engines astern 

full speed, but before they could take effect, owing to the short distance 

between them, the two vessels came together, as I have already described, the 

"Ludworth" striking the "C. M. Palmer" on the starboard side just forward of the 

bridge, and angling more or less aft. No blame is attributed to the master or to 

anyone on board of the "Ludworth" for anything that occurred after the 

collision. The boats seem to have been lowered with the greatest promptness, and 

by the exertions of the master and crew, and by bringing the vessel again close 

to the "C. M. Palmer" a great number of lives were saved, which would otherwise 

have been sacrificed. They remained on the spot until about 11 a.m., when, there 

being no longer a hope of saving any more lives, the "Ludworth" steamed towards 

Harwich, accompanied by another steamer called the "Henry Morton," which had 

come up, and which had been requested by the master of the "Ludworth" to stand 

by them, and to accompany them to Harwich, the "Ludworth" herself having been 

seriously damaged on both bows in the collision.

Under these circumstances the Board of Trade have charged the masters of both 

the vessels with having contributed to the loss of the "C. M. Palmer," the 

damage to the "Ludworth," and the loss of 14 of the crew and passengers of the 

"C. M. Palmer." And the question which the Court will have to determine is, 

whether these charges have been proved.

And first, as regard the charges against the "C. M. Palmer." The first charge is 

for "not keeping her proper " course on the morning of the 17th of February 

1878, " whereby she was obliged to starboard her helm to avoid " Bawdsey Sand;" 

the charge in effect is for having got out of her course, her proper course 

being down the shipway. The nautical gentlemen, however, by whom I am assisted 

on this occasion have advised me that in their opinion the master was in no way 

to blame under the circumstances for having deviated as he seems to have done 

from the usual course down the channel. The "C. M. Palmer" being, as there can 

be no doubt she was, in a thick fog, and having consequently eased and stopped 

occasionally as she was bound to do, the natural result would be that the tide, 

which sets two points across the shipway to the westward, would carry her over 

to the westward. Now was the master wise in allowing his vessel to be carried, 

as he might naturally have expected, to the westward and out of the shipway; or 

would it have been better that he should have altered his course a little to the 

eastward, so as to compensate for the set of the tide towards the westward? The 

assessors tell me that they consider that in acting as he did he took the proper 

course. They say that this vessel, drawing as she did 16 feet 2, would pass at 

that time of the tide over any part of Bawdsey Sand, the lowest depth on any 

part of the sand at low water spring tides being two fathoms and a half, and the 

sea being perfectly smooth; and that it was the best course for this vessel to 

pursue to keep away to the westward, where there was plenty of water, and with 

the chance of picking up the Bawdsey Buoy, and thus accurately fixing his 

position, rather than to have kept further to the eastward, and thus run the 

risk of getting on the shipwash, where there was only half to one and a half 

fathoms of water for some miles. We think therefore that the first charge has 

not been established.

As regards the other charges, which have been preferred against the master of 

the "C. M. Palmer," we think that, on the evidence before us, there can be no 

doubt that from 9.15 a.m., when the fog set in, a good look-out was kept; that 

the whistle was sounded frequently, whether two or three times a minute we are 

not prepared to say, but at any rate very frequently; and that the vessel was 

during the whole time going at a moderate rate of speed, not exceeding from two 

to three knots an hour. When the "Ludworth" was first seen a point and a half on 

the starboard bow, the helm was immediately ordered to be put hard a-starboard, 

and the engines to be turned full speed astern; and although it is true that the 

interval was so short that these measures had not time to produce any effect, we 

are at a loss to conceive what other course he could have taken. Had the vessel 

that was approaching him been going at a moderate rate of speed, and had she 

backed her engines at the same time, it is probable that no collision would have 

taken place; or if it had taken place, that it would certainly not have been 

attended with the same sad results. On the whole, we are quite at a loss to see 

what course this master could have pursued other than that which he did.

Let us now come to the case of the "Ludworth." There is, as I have said, the 

greatest discrepancy in the evidence given by those who were on board this 

vessel, both as to the state of the weather and as to the extent to which the 

speed of the vessel was slackened, if indeed it was slackened at all. According 

to the master, he ordered the speed of the vessel to be slackened at a quarter 

after eight; but upon being pressed it turned out that all he had done at that 

time was to inquire of the engineer at what speed the vessel was going, and on 

being informed that she was making 70 revolutions, he said that that was enough, 

or that that would do; but he admitted that he never ordered the engines, at 

that time certainly, to be slowed, nor, according to his own evidence, was there 

any the smallest reason for his doing so, seeing that according to him the 

weather was then perfectly clear. Again, the master told us that at half-past 

nine, when he came on deck, seeing that they were approaching a fog, he ordered 

the engines to be put at half speed, but this is not at all confirmed by the 

engineer, who tells us that he received no such order from the master. As to the 

chief officer, he told us that he did not concern himself very much about the 

speed of the vessel, and that from the time he came on deck till just before the 

collision he never gave any order to the engine-room either to slacken or to 

slow. And now let us see what the chief engineer has to say on the subject, for 

the engines were under his charge, and if they were slowed or stopped he at any 

rate would know. He told us that he came on duty at 8 o'clock, and that finding 

that the engines were making only 70 revolutions, whereas full speed would be 

nearer 80 revolutions, he called to the fireman to get more steam up; that the 

captain hearing him, asked him how many revolutions she was making, and on his 

telling him the captain said she was going fast enough. He then told us that 

without any orders from either the master or first officer, but solely upon his 

own authority he reduced the speed of the engines from 70 revolutions to 60 

revolutions. Why, we are utterly unable to understand, for, according to the 

evidence, there was no fog at 8.15 and no reason why the vessel should not have 

been going at full speed. But whatever the speed of the engines was, whether 60 

or 70 revolutions a minute, that speed was we are told kept up until about 9.30, 

when the chief engineer tells us that hearing the whistle and learning from a 

fireman, whom he sent on deck to see, that there was a fog coming on, he slacked 

the engines down to half speed, or about 40 revolutions; but this again was done 

without any order from either the master or the chief officer, but merely on his 

own authority, and on what he thought to be the right and proper course to be 

followed. He says, too, that it was after he had slowed the engines down to half 

speed, that the captain asked him again how they were going, and on his telling 

him he expressed himself satisfied. And be tells us that he continued her at 

half speed ahead, which it was admitted would give her a speed through the water 

of from six to seven knots an hour, until 9.40, when he received the order "full 

speed astern." And yet he tells us that during all this time and until he 

received the order full speed astern, the telegraph indicated full speed ahead. 

It is extremely difficult to reconcile the evidence given by the witnesses from 

the "Ludworth" as to the speed of that vessel; but the purport of it is, as I 

have stated, and the conclusion to which we have come is, that the speed of the 

"Ludworth" was kept up until just before the collision, when the order was given 

to put the engines astern full speed, but too late then to produce any effect; 

not, indeed, that I mean to say that they were kept up at full speed, but that 

whatever the speed was at a quarter after eight, that speed was substantially 

kept up till 9.30, and that if the speed after that time was reduced to half 

speed it was on the authority of the chief engineer alone, and without any 

orders either from the master or the chief officer, and that at any rate she 

must have been going from six to seven knots at the least when she first sighted 

the "C. M. Palmer."

And now as to what was the state of the weather during this time; and upon this 

point we think that the evidence of the look-out man is that upon which most 

reliance can be placed. Harrison, the look-out man, told us that he went on deck 

at 8 o'clock, that at that time it was fine, but that at 9 o'clock it began to 

get foggy; he said that the wind was fair, but it became very foggy before the 

collision. We think, therefore, that this evidence of Harrison, who was on the 

look-out, and whose special attention would be called to what the state of the 

atmosphere was, must be accepted on this point, even if there was any reliable 

evidence to the contrary, which we do not think there is; and that we must hold 

that for some time before the collision this vessel was in a thick, I may almost 

say a very thick, fog.

Now the question which we have to consider is, whether this vessel was, under 

these circumstances, justified in going at this speed, a speed which is stated, 

even in the log-book, to have been six knots an hour, and which, according to 

the chief engineer, and according to the chief officer was maintained up to the 

time of the "C. M. Palmer" being sighted, at a distance of some 60 or 70 yards 

ahead, and when it was too late to avoid a collision. The chief officer has 

stated that if he had been the master of the ship he would not have allowed her 

to go at the speed at which she was; and the master himself has admitted that if 

he had known that the "C. M. Palmer" was in the thick fog which they were 

approaching he certainly should not have entered it at that speed. His excuse 

was that he thought it was only a "temporary" patch of fog, as he called it, by 

which, I presume, he meant a local fog, and that the ship would soon pass 

through it, as it had already done several other patches the same morning. He 

chose to take the chance of there being no vessel in the way, but unfortunately 

for him the "C. M. Palmer" was there, and he ran her down. We think that, on the 

master's own admission, the "Ludworth" had no right to be going at the speed at 

which she was, and that she is therefore to blame for this collision.

As regards the whistle, for that is one of the charges preferred against the 

master of the "Ludworth," the evidence is not very satisfactory as to when or 

how often it was sounded before the collision. No doubt it was sounded 

immediately before the collision, because it was that we are told that brought 

the master up, but when it was sounded before that time, or how many times, we 

are left in the same state of uncertainty as to other facts deposed to by those 

from the "Ludworth." One fact, however, is certain, that for some time before 

the "C. M. Palmer" was sighted the chief officer was going from one side of the 

ship to the other, getting into the boat and then returning to the other side of 

the ship, looking out for the Bawdsey Buoy, which had been reported, and during 

all this time it is clear that he could not have been sounding the whistle. That 

the whistle was not sounded very frequently before that is also clear, for the 

engineer tells us he reduced the speed of the engines to half speed because he 

heard the whistle sounded; and that was not until after 9.30., the collision 

occurring according to him at 9.40. How long before the Bawdsey Buoy was 

reported the whistle had been sounded we are not able to say. It must, however, 

be remembered that this vessel was going at least at between six and seven knots 

an hour, and the "C. M. Palmer" we will suppose was going from two to three 

knots, that would give something like from nine to ten knots an hour as the 

speed at which these vessels were approaching one another; at this rate they 

would get over a mile in about six minutes. If then the whistle of the 

"Ludworth" had not been sounded for six minutes before they sighted one another 

they would then have been about a mile apart, which might account for the "C. M. 

Palmer" not hearing the "Ludworth's" whistle. On the other hand, the wind was 

from south-west, and therefore against the "Ludworth" hearing the "C. M. 

Palmer's" whistle. But however this may be, it is not for not sounding the 

whistle oftener that we are disposed to blame the master, for the whistle was 

under the control of the chief officer.

As regards the look-out however, it is admitted that he was not placed on the 

look-out either by the master or the chief officer; but the look-out man told us 

that after he had assisted to take in the sails he placed himself there; for 

this we think both the master and the chief officer were to blame. Going at the 

speed at which the vessel was, and in such weather, it was their bounden duty to 

have had a good look-out, and not to have left him to place himself there, but 

to have placed him there, and to have seen that he was there. At the same time 

it must be remembered that the look-out man was stationed on the topgallant, 

forecastle for some time before the collision, and that he saw the vessel as 

soon as she could have been seen in that weather, and reported her; and that, 

consequently, the collision was not in our opinion due to the want of a good 

look-out.

The Court, therefore, having come to the conclusion that this collision was due 

entirely to the great speed at which the "Ludworth" was going, the question is 

whether the master or the chief officer is to blame for it? It has been 

contended by Mr. Webster that the master gave up charge of the vessel at 8.25 to 

the chief officer, but is this so? According to his own evidence he was after 

that time continually on and off the deck; it was he, according to his own 

account, who altered the speed of the vessel, or rather who spoke to the 

engineer about it, and sanctioned the alteration in the speed of the vessel, and 

he seems to have done this without any communication with the officer who was in 

charge, and who seems to have been ignorant whether the vessel was going full 

speed or half speed, or at what speed she was going; as he said, he did'nt pay 

much attention to the speed of the vessel. When, too, the master went below at 

8.25, he left no instructions with the chief officer, but kept continually 

running up and down, virtually retaining the charge of the vessel in his own 

hands. We had it, too, from the mate that, although he thought the vessel was 

going at too great a rate of speed, he did not venture to alter the speed, 

because it seems not to have been his duty to do so on board that vessel; but it 

was for the master to do it. The mate told us that when he found the fog 

becoming thicker he was going to send to the master to tell him so; he did not 

order the speed of the vessel to be slackened, he left that for the master to 

do. We think, therefore, that Mr. Webster's contention that the master had given 

up the charge of the vessel to the mate is not proved; and that so far, at any 

rate as regards the speed of the vessel, the master was solely responsible. We 

have been told that this master has been for 45 years at sea, that he has been 

27 years a master, and nine years master of the "Ludworth," and that during that 

time he has made something like, I believe, 700 voyages. That may be so, but 

that in no wav shows that he has not on this occasion been guilty of gross 

carelessness in the navigation of this vessel, and we not think we should be 

doing our duty unless we suspended this man's certificate for six months. The 

certificates of the officers of the "C. M. Palmer" went down with the vessel, 

but I have no doubt that the Board of Trade will replace them.

I cannot, however, conclude this case without remarking that here we have a 

vessel capable of being navigated at 11 knots an hour, with a master holding 

only a certificate of service as a mate, the chief officer without any 

certificate at all, and the chief engineer without any certificate at all; 

neither the master nor the mate see to the look-out being properly placed; and 

the engineer, according to his own account, takes it on himself, and, without 

any order from either the master or the officer in charge, to reduce the speed 

of the vessel to half speed, when all the time the telegraph is pointing to full 

speed. Such a state of things seems to us utterly inconceivable. Everything, we 

think, shows that the management on board this vessel was what it ought not to 

have been.

Before concluding, I ought to state that I have received a letter from the 

captain of the 39th company of the Royal Engineers, in which he informs me that 

Sapper Millar of his company was a passenger on board the "C. M. Palmer" at the 

time of the collision with the "Ludworth," and lost all his effects, and he 

calls the attention of the Court to the fact, with the view, I presume, of 

obtaining for him some compensation for his losses. I need hardly say that this 

Court has no power to grant compensation for any such losses; that question is 

for another court to decide. it was also said that Millar was in the water about 

half an hour after the collision, and that a boy was picked up by him and placed 

on an upturned boat. No doubt such conduct is very creditable on the part of the 

man, but I regret to say that this Court has no power whatever to reward him in 

any way.

Mr. Howard Smith.-I make no application, sir, as to costs.

Mr. Clarkson.-Sir, I ask for my costs either from the Board of Trade or from the 

owners of the "Ludworth."

The Commissioner.-I shall not give costs against the Board of Trade.

Mr. Clarkson.-Then, sir, I ask them from the owners of the "Ludworth."

The Commissioner.-No, I think you had better seek for them in the Court of 

Admiralty.

Mr. Clarkson.-We cannot recover them there.

The Commissioner.-If this Court is right in the judgment it has pronounced you 

will be able to get your damages and your costs.

Mr. Clarkson.-Certainly not the costs of this inquiry.

The Commissioner.-I think 1 should not give costs in this case.

Mr. Clarkson.-It is a case in which you have two conflicting parties before the 

Court, the inquiry having been caused entirely by the wrongful act of one of 

those parties. If ever there is to be a case in which the owners of ships or the 

masters of ships, having been put to the expense of attending an inquiry like 

this without any fault of their own, but by the wrongful act of somebody else, 

are to have their costs I should say that this is the very case of all others.

The Commissioner.-I may observe that if any case came before me in which I 

should be of opinion that the Board of Trade had brought parties before the 

Court unnecessarily, and put them to heavy expenses, I should be disposed to 

condemn the Board of Trade in the costs, but I do not feel that I could do so in 

this case.

Mr. Clarkson.-I do not ground my application upon any complaint that I have to 

make against the Board of Trade, but I ask for costs against the delinquent 

party. With regard to the Board of Trade, one sees that the Board of Trade in 

directing inquiry to be held into such a matter as this are fulfilling a very 

useful public function. Still there is hardly any reason why an inquiry which is 

for the benefit of the public should not be at the expense of the public, and in 

asking for costs against the Board of Trade I do it upon that footing. I do not 

complain of the inquiry as far as we are concerned, but we come here not knowing 

what charges may be made, certainly not knowing what may be said by the people 

on board of that ship which turns out to be the sole delinquent ship, and I 

cannot help thinking that it is a matter for consideration, whether we should 

not have costs either against the Board of Trade or against the owners of the 

delinquent ship. I think that rule 25 is drawn with a view to provide for such a 

case as the present.

Mr. Howard Smith.-I should say that the cases in which you would hold that an 

inquiry was unnecessary were the cases in which you would possibly give costs 

against the Board of Trade, but in the case of an inquiry which is necessary the 

Court follows the usual rule, according to which you leave all parties to pay 

their own costs. I do not think that this differs from any other cases of 

collision in which one party has been only to blame. I oppose the application 

for costs at all events.

The Commissioner.-I confess that I think this was a very proper case for 

inquiry. Mr. Clarkson's party, Mr. Webster's party, and Mr. Nelson's party 

appeared for the purpose of protecting their own interests, lest anything should 

be said or done which might be likely to injure them. Under those circumstances, 

I certainly should not condemn the Board of Trade in the costs; and I confess 

that I do not see my way to condemn Mr. Webster's parties, the owners of the 

"Ludworth," in the costs of Mr. Clarkson's parties, both sides being interveners 

in an inquiry which has been very properly instituted by the Board of Trade. If 

any person is to blame for this collision it is the master of the "Ludworth," 

but I do not understand that I am asked to condemn him in the costs. On the 

whole, I am not disposed to give any costs in this case.

       (Signed)H. C. ROTHERY,

        Wreck Commissioner.

W. 204. 60.-3/78. Wt. 3011.

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